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This is where we get serial number tables and cymbal stamp timelines that can help us get ballpark ideas when something was made. I agree with K. That's why we'll say stuff like, "That looks like a '50s era, since it's missing the three dots So I think Zildjian wants to promote the fact that they've been using serial numbers boring for almost 20 years now. I wish companies took more pride in their histories, but it just doesn't help their bottom line, so there is no incentive to care.

I have a beautiful Westinghouse radio from , that says "Ready For Television" on it. It was my grandmothers. I wrote to Westinghouse for some info on this model and they basically told me, "we don't make radios anymore It's up to us to keep it alive.

The "old" guys at the factory are purported to be notoriously bad when it comes to the historical timeline of stamps. I think the lathing, hammering, profiles, and other characteristics speak for themselves. Once you know what to look for, you can roughly date a cymbal without even seeing the stamp. Theres plenty of info on a somewhat valid way to determine the decade made when it come to A Zildjians.

I read about how the first cymbals made were by those who were brought to Turkey from Armenia by the Sultan to produce zils and gongs. I think it was Avedis the 1st that created the perfect alloy for sound although his intent was to formulate the mixture into gold. For his excellence in his craft, he was awarded some wealth from the Sultan as well as a last name which was altered to become ZIldjian.

With this money and name, he opened his own cymbal factory Avedis the 3rd first name for males alternated ever other generation came to US and worked at a candy factory before opening his own candy manufacturing store. His uncle asked him to return to continue the family business Avedis opened up for business and hit harlem and gave drummers of the jazz age what they wanted in cymbals.

The rest is pretty much well know as the Avedis Zildjian Company. Simply facinating story! Fascinating stuff! Pardon my digging up an old thread, but I searched on Zildjian dating and this thread came up. There were several others of course, but not so interesting or worth bumping. I used to use Cymbalholics as my reference for Zildjian dates, but of course that forum went belly-up years ago. Looks like they might come back, but it's not there yet. I understand the stamps are not reliable, as per the point of this thread, but if there is a page that gives as much info as we think we know today, that would be useful!

Here's hoping, anyway. Zeb Very well Known Member. Carbon 14? Thanks for all that! I was on CH for a bit several years ago, but then the forum closed completely. Sometime after that I took a break from drums for a few years, and stopped looking. I only just recently picked the sticks back up, and saw that CH is closed now, so I assumed it had stayed closed throughout the intervening years.

Good to know that's not the case, and good to hear you've got the spam thing under control from this latest outbreak. I'll post some stamp and profile pics of a couple of my older Avedis pieces soon. You must log in or register to reply here. Similar threads. Replies 0 Views Deafmoon Yesterday at PM. Replies 1 Views Yesterday at PM Gotdrums. One reason I'm trying to get people to use his timeline is that it doesn't always come up as high in searches as other ones.

It also contains a ton of info so here's some links to get you started:. Know a resource I'm missing? Let me know and I'll get it on the list! Or drop a comment below…. Right, if you know what to look for… Identifying a vintage cymbal: things to look for! If you learn with your eyes don't worry, I'll have a gallery after the list with examples. Cymbal Characteristics: Cymbal manufacturer stamp : A manufacturer's mark that's usually engraved by laser in the surface of the cymbal or stamped into the molten alloy, especially on vintage cymbals.

Laser stamps happened to Zildjians in Cymbal size : Grab your yard stick or tape measure. By the way, if you want to get really accurate you can even measure your cymbal bell! Cymbal weight : Vintage cymbals, Zildjians included, often weighed less than newer cymbals so drummers often give weights in grams g as a clue to when they were made. If yours is lighter than that you've got a clue that it's an older Zildjian.

Cymbal centerhole : Usually you're looking at size. Manufacturers often change the sizes of cymbal holes. There's one other thing to look for: grommets. If you see a small metal ring in the centerhole you've got an old marching cymbal. Manufacturing process : Cymbals are stamped from bronze sheets, hammered or hand-hammered. This can be hard to tell but is more obvious on vintage or boutique cymbals.

Cheap cymbals are stamped from bronze sheets with more expensive lines cast from bronze and hammered by machine, giving consistent hammering patterns. Hammering pattern : Related to the manufacturing process. Hand-hammered patterns are a little less precise or straight-up uneven: especially when the cymbals are shock cooled from a high temperature.

Lathing pattern : This is the pattern of rings that go from the cymbal's outer edge in to the centerhole or bell. Most cymbals are lathed, although some are partly lathed with raw unlathed bells or no lathing at all sometimes called blanks. This one's easy for new cymbals but tough for vintage ones. Once the paint gets rubbed off from cleaning it's easy to mistake a hi hat cymbal for a small crash or even a splash cymbal.

Old cymbal catalogs often have the sizes of the cymbals for a given year but if your hi hat is the same size as a crash for that year you have to find another way to identify the cymbal. Cymbal finish : Again, this one's easier for new cymbals — it's a fancy way of asking if it's shiny brilliant , normal natural , or does it look like it just came out of a cave raw?

Zildjian first advertised brilliant finish cymbals in their catalog in This can also be misleading since older brilliant finish cymbals have a patina that can look like they had a natural finish. Natural finish cymbals can also be polished to a more brilliant finish. Cymbal Holes : Sometimes cymbals have holes drilled in them besides the centerhole to change their sound. Example: check out this vintage Zildjian , again thanks to Steve Black.

Cymbal Sound : Identifying a cymbal by sound is tough! It's pretty subjective and requires a lot of experience but can be useful as a last resort. The good news is I've started recording my cymbals including in videos on my YouTube channel , to provide drummers and percussionists the ultimate resource. If you don't know what cymbal you have, check out my videos to help you narrow it down by look and sound. By the way, all the audio and video of my cymbals is professionally recorded for accurate sound!

Here's a gallery with examples of cymbal terms: I made an illustrated gallery for all you visual learners. Check it out and hover over the images for more info on the cymbals:. Zildjian Amir Impulse Ride. The short answer: Steve Black's Zildjian Stamp Timeline One of the best perks of my job is the people I meet and connect with on a day to day basis.

It also contains a ton of info so here's some links to get you started: Avedis Zildjian small stamps : SSA vs. SSB Zildjian's changing centerhole sizes Zildjian's different eras of hammering patterns Avedis Zildjian bell lathing patterns Again I can't recommend Steve's work enough! If you have a questions, ask them there. Forums are full of drummers who know more than you, just take it with a grain of salt and do your homework.

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A quick note, a lot of this info was pointed out to me by Steve Black , whose cymbal research uses statistics to build on the work of Bill Hartrick's original Zildjian stamp timeline. I made an illustrated gallery for all you visual learners.

These cymbals aren't vintage Zildjian cymbals but have easy to spot visual examples of the cymbal characteristics above. Not vintage, but awesome!! Also a good example of how hand-hammering looks on different finishes. An example of the painted model and the manufacturer stamp. This ride cymbal is unlathed no rings going around the cymbal.

The faint dots are the machine hammering marks. This one's easy to identify from the machine-hammered radial pattern with huge hammer marks! It's also got typical modern Zildjian lathing including the bell and a glossy, brilliant finish a little less brilliant from age and use. Z Customs aren't always considered vintage Zildjian cymbals but useful as an example. These ones aren't vintage Zildjian but I'm including them to make a point.

The bottom hi hat cymbal in the photo is an awesome, hand-made boutique cymbal by TRX! It has a raw finish with a one of a kind copper color, hand-hammering that looks like leopard spots and hand-lathing that makes dark irregular grooves with an unlathed cymbal bell. Compare the raw finish to the brilliant finish on the top hi hat barely visible on the right. What we just went over was a lot, but now that you've looked at all your cymbal's characteristics how do you find the year of your cymbal?

If you're able to find other pictures of vintage Zildjians that match some of your cymbals' characteristics you can get a good idea of what year or era it was made in. But what if you can't? So, how do you decide when your Zildjian was made? One of the best perks of my job is the people I meet and connect with on a day to day basis.

One of those people is Steve Black, a trained statistician researching Zildjian and Paiste cymbals. Thanks again Steve! Not everyone's lucky enough to have someone doing cymbal research get in touch with them through their website. That's exactly why Steve's been putting his research on his Avedis Zildjian Timeline since Although the other timelines out there are pretty good, no one's using stats the way Steve is.

One reason I'm trying to get people to use his timeline is that it doesn't always come up as high in searches as other ones. It also contains a ton of info so here's some links to get you started:. Know a resource I'm missing? Let me know and I'll get it on the list! Or drop a comment below…. Right, if you know what to look for… Identifying a vintage cymbal: things to look for! If you learn with your eyes don't worry, I'll have a gallery after the list with examples. Cymbal Characteristics: Cymbal manufacturer stamp : A manufacturer's mark that's usually engraved by laser in the surface of the cymbal or stamped into the molten alloy, especially on vintage cymbals.

Laser stamps happened to Zildjians in Cymbal size : Grab your yard stick or tape measure. By the way, if you want to get really accurate you can even measure your cymbal bell! Cymbal weight : Vintage cymbals, Zildjians included, often weighed less than newer cymbals so drummers often give weights in grams g as a clue to when they were made.

If yours is lighter than that you've got a clue that it's an older Zildjian. Cymbal centerhole : Usually you're looking at size. Manufacturers often change the sizes of cymbal holes. There's one other thing to look for: grommets. If you see a small metal ring in the centerhole you've got an old marching cymbal. Manufacturing process : Cymbals are stamped from bronze sheets, hammered or hand-hammered. This can be hard to tell but is more obvious on vintage or boutique cymbals.

Cheap cymbals are stamped from bronze sheets with more expensive lines cast from bronze and hammered by machine, giving consistent hammering patterns. Hammering pattern : Related to the manufacturing process. Hand-hammered patterns are a little less precise or straight-up uneven: especially when the cymbals are shock cooled from a high temperature. This is where we get serial number tables and cymbal stamp timelines that can help us get ballpark ideas when something was made.

I agree with K. That's why we'll say stuff like, "That looks like a '50s era, since it's missing the three dots So I think Zildjian wants to promote the fact that they've been using serial numbers boring for almost 20 years now. I wish companies took more pride in their histories, but it just doesn't help their bottom line, so there is no incentive to care.

I have a beautiful Westinghouse radio from , that says "Ready For Television" on it. It was my grandmothers. I wrote to Westinghouse for some info on this model and they basically told me, "we don't make radios anymore It's up to us to keep it alive. The "old" guys at the factory are purported to be notoriously bad when it comes to the historical timeline of stamps. I think the lathing, hammering, profiles, and other characteristics speak for themselves. Once you know what to look for, you can roughly date a cymbal without even seeing the stamp.

Theres plenty of info on a somewhat valid way to determine the decade made when it come to A Zildjians. I read about how the first cymbals made were by those who were brought to Turkey from Armenia by the Sultan to produce zils and gongs. I think it was Avedis the 1st that created the perfect alloy for sound although his intent was to formulate the mixture into gold. For his excellence in his craft, he was awarded some wealth from the Sultan as well as a last name which was altered to become ZIldjian.

With this money and name, he opened his own cymbal factory Avedis the 3rd first name for males alternated ever other generation came to US and worked at a candy factory before opening his own candy manufacturing store. His uncle asked him to return to continue the family business Avedis opened up for business and hit harlem and gave drummers of the jazz age what they wanted in cymbals. The rest is pretty much well know as the Avedis Zildjian Company. Simply facinating story! Fascinating stuff!

Pardon my digging up an old thread, but I searched on Zildjian dating and this thread came up. There were several others of course, but not so interesting or worth bumping. I used to use Cymbalholics as my reference for Zildjian dates, but of course that forum went belly-up years ago. Looks like they might come back, but it's not there yet. I understand the stamps are not reliable, as per the point of this thread, but if there is a page that gives as much info as we think we know today, that would be useful!

Here's hoping, anyway. Zeb Very well Known Member. Carbon 14? Thanks for all that! I was on CH for a bit several years ago, but then the forum closed completely. Sometime after that I took a break from drums for a few years, and stopped looking. I only just recently picked the sticks back up, and saw that CH is closed now, so I assumed it had stayed closed throughout the intervening years. Good to know that's not the case, and good to hear you've got the spam thing under control from this latest outbreak.

I'll post some stamp and profile pics of a couple of my older Avedis pieces soon. You must log in or register to reply here. Similar threads. Replies 0 Views Deafmoon Yesterday at PM. Replies 1 Views Yesterday at PM Gotdrums.

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'60s Stamps are defined by a bold “Zildjian Co” embossing, three dots in the Arabic logo, and a size around 1 3/16”. Models from later in the. There are cymbals which are hammered and lathed in the style in use around (the last days of hand hammering for shape, or the early days. A. ZILDJIAN CYMBAL STAMP CHRONOLOGY DATE TIMELINE. All Avedis Zildjian cymbals have their name stamped in its bronze. But, we have 2 problems​. 1.